Ilmarinen
Usuário
Tolkien is Overrated
There, I said it. Burn me at the stake for I committed heresy, but at least let me explain to you why!
-
Caro Visitante, por que não gastar alguns segundos e criar uma Conta no Fórum Valinor? Desta forma, além de não ver este aviso novamente, poderá participar de nossa comunidade, inserir suas opiniões e sugestões, fazendo parte deste que é um maiores Fóruns de Discussão do Brasil! Aproveite e cadastre-se já!
Polêmica- Os filmes de SdA são MELHORES do que o livro?
- Criador do tópico Ilmarinen
- Data de Criação
Ilmarinen
Usuário
Ilmarinen
Usuário
SF Diplomat: 10 Reasons why Krull is a better film than Lord of the Rings
Sorry to come over all "io9" but after reading John's sniffy comments about Krull's effects over at SF Signal I felt compelled to respond by pointing out that Krull is, in fact, one of the greatest epic fantasy films ever...
web.archive.org
Krull is equal parts George Lucas and J.R.R. Tolkien
Every day, Watch This offers staff recommendations inspired by a new movie coming out that week. This week: Because it’s Star Wars Week here at The A.V. Club, we’ve singled out some of the more interesting movies inspired or influenced by George Lucas’ beloved space opera.
film.avclub.com
<<Re: Krull is Krapp
#23 Post by Paul MacLean » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:15 pm
The LORD OF THE RINGS movies may be "better cinema" but I never want to see those films again. I can see myself watching KRULL again because there are aspects of it I love -- mostly, Horner's music -- more than anything in the LOTR films.
I don't even think they are "better cinema". They are definitely drawn from better narrative source material than Krull, but Krull's filmmakers did a far better job with that material than LOTR's filmmakers did with Tolkein's.
The analogy I make is that the LOTR movies are like filet mignon which has been very badly prepared. It may be taken from the choicest cut, but the finished meal is charred on the outside and raw on the inside. Krull is like a cheeseburger, but one prepared by a master chef, who draws on his culinary acumen to make it more than the sum of it's parts. It will never be more than a cheeseburger, but I'd rather eat that cheeseburger than the burned filet mignon.
I think some of the effects are brilliant, but I find elements of them unintentionally funny as Paul does, like the guy who runs off the edge of the castle (on fire!) in the third film (and they couldn't even find a real OCEAN to shoot at the end?).
Well no, because real oceans are so hard to find in New Zealand.
In any case, I look back at fantasy movies from the 80s -- like Krull, Clash of the Titans, The Dark Crystal, Legend, Ladyhawk, Highlander, et al, -- and they may have had serious narrative flaws, and had stilted or simplistic storylines, but they were FUN. They wore their flaws lightly. They were also beautifully shot and designed, and usually incredibly-well scored (well, except for Ladyhawk, but even that was still fun). Even Excalibur, which had a fairly dark tone, nevertheless exhibited a shimmering visual allure and and fantastical exuberance.
Fantasy films today are so serious and grim, because they all take a cues from LOTR and it's overly portentous tone and killjoy reverence. They're devoid of fun, they're devoid of beauty (LOTR has some of the most ugly photography in cinema history).
The only modern fantasy films I like are the Harry Potter movies, but I have to say even those have become more "LOTR" in style (the "Amblin"-esque style of the Columbus films giving way to more of that dreary, washed-out look).>>
Última edição:
Ilmarinen
Usuário
Front Page Featured | MRCTV
Five Things China Mieville Likes About Tolkien
Blog cannot live by blowing up stuff in space alone, and in a small miracle of exquisite timing Carla pointed me to this intriguing China M...
Weird Fiction Author China Mieville on J.R.R. Tolkien
Weird fiction author China Mieville praises and thanks Tolkien
www.tolkienlibrary.com
Tolkien's Political Views
I think anyone who reads Tolkien recognizes his perspective on industrialism and other societal trends that he saw emerging in his lifetime, but someone recently shared with me a 1943 letter from J.R.R. Tolkien to Christopher where J.R.R. Tolkien describes himself as leaning "more and more to...
www.thetolkienforum.com
China Mieville on Tolkien and Epic/High Fantasy
This is kind of old, but it is an interesting debate that China Mieville is arguing. http://www.panmacmillan.com/Features/China/debate.htm Just to give a taste of it, here is his opening statement: Two untrue things are commonly claimed about fantasy. The first is that fantasy and science...
www.enworld.org
Five Things China Mieville Likes About Tolkien
Blog cannot live by blowing up stuff in space alone, and in a small miracle of exquisite timing Carla pointed me to this intriguing China M...
Última edição:
Ilmarinen
Usuário
J.R.R. Tolkien -- enemy of progress
"The Lord of the Rings" is lovingly crafted, seductive -- and profoundly backward-looking. Why not look at things through the Dark Lord's eye for a change?
www.salon.com
"Lord of the Rings" vs. "Star Wars"
Peter Jackson's glorified video trivia game doesn't hold up to the grandly human epic that defined a generation.
www.salon.com
Última edição:
Ilmarinen
Usuário
E eu AMO, SEMPRE AMEI!!! Li e reli mais de 7 vezes antes de ter terminado a primeira leitura do SdA.
www.theporteport.com
Tolkien Tuesday: Making Your Fantasy World Feel Old — The Porte Port Write Like a Geek
The fantasy story you are writing comes with an equally fantastic world. That world should feel old and lived in, adding investment to the story. Let's look at how J.R.R. Tolkien built Middle Earth to see how we can write better too.
www.theporteport.com
Última edição:
Ilmarinen
Usuário
From Children’s Book to Epic Prequel: Peter Jackson’s Transformation of Tolkien’s <i>The Hobbit</i>
Makes the case that Jackson’s sometimes controversial screenwriting decisions actually echo Tolkien’s own abortive attempt to revise and change The Hobbit to bring it into line with the mood and milieu of The Lord of the Rings.
Última edição:
Ilmarinen
Usuário
Também interessante notar como a Wiki tá especializada;
en.wikipedia.org
Peter Jackson's interpretation of The Lord of the Rings - Wikipedia
Ilmarinen
Usuário
Pena que o autor desse texto aí embaixo parece ter lido o livro bem mal.
screenrant.com
5 Ways The Lord Of The Rings Books Are Better (& 5 Ways It’s The Films)
The Lord Of The Rings films are generally well-received by fans of the books. Here are ways in which the books are better, and ways the films are.
screenrant.com
Última edição:
Ilmarinen
Usuário
Muito divertido mesmo sendo o oposto da minha opinião :
rammfan518.wordpress.com
Why The Hobbit Movies Sucked So Hard
***I do not plan for this to be a short piece. Throughout the Internet, you will see that the average recommended blog length should be 1,000 words because people have low attention spans. I say &#…
rammfan518.wordpress.com
Ilmarinen
Usuário
Podia criar um tópico próprio mas acho que é uma discussão "hermana" dessa aqui:
consequence.net
Are the Harry Potter Films Better Than The Books?
We pit all seven books against their cinematic counterparts to discover which is more magical.
consequence.net
Ilmarinen
Usuário
10 Reasons You’re Wrong About The Hobbit Trilogy
What if you were missing out on something spectacular and you didn't even know it?
whatculture.com
Justamente o número um da lista aí. Aí está argumentado de uma maneira meio jocosa intencionalmente contraprodutiva mas ainda assim é divertido ver o empenho em dar aquela contestada na opinião da maioria.
Última edição:
Finarfin
Li-o porque qui-lo
10 Reasons You’re Wrong About The Hobbit Trilogy
What if you were missing out on something spectacular and you didn't even know it?
Justamente o número um da lista aí
Hmm, não me convenceu.
Agora, concordo plenamente com o item 7. O Freeman é o ponto alto da trilogia do hobbit, sem nenhuma dúvida.
Ilmarinen
Usuário
Eu dou pontos pro Peter Jackson pela ambição da empreitada.
Coerente, por irônico que pareça, com a vontade do próprio Tolkien em reescrever o Hobbit pra dar mais sinergia com o SdA. Os capítulos reescritos estão no History of the Hobbit do John D. Rateliff. Um livro que, se bobear, jamais sairia sem a expectativa de uma nova saga trilogística centrada nos Hobbits pro cinema.
dc.swosu.edu
A comparação dos méritos e deméritos das versões literária e cinematográfica rendeu até tese aí
The Hobbit Adaptation: Literary Infidelity or True to the
Tolkien Spirit?
Coerente, por irônico que pareça, com a vontade do próprio Tolkien em reescrever o Hobbit pra dar mais sinergia com o SdA. Os capítulos reescritos estão no History of the Hobbit do John D. Rateliff. Um livro que, se bobear, jamais sairia sem a expectativa de uma nova saga trilogística centrada nos Hobbits pro cinema.
From Children’s Book to Epic Prequel: Peter Jackson’s Transformation of Tolkien’s <i>The Hobbit</i>
Makes the case that Jackson’s sometimes controversial screenwriting decisions actually echo Tolkien’s own abortive attempt to revise and change The Hobbit to bring it into line with the mood and milieu of The Lord of the Rings.
A comparação dos méritos e deméritos das versões literária e cinematográfica rendeu até tese aí
The Hobbit Adaptation: Literary Infidelity or True to the
Tolkien Spirit?
Última edição:
Tópicos similares
